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Hello and welcome to episode 13 of the Teen Horror Podcast.

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Hello, and welcome to Episode 13 of the Teen Horror Podcast.

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Hello.

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where we watch and discuss horror movies from a teen's perspective.

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We did. So, let's do a little bit of a back story section here.

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I'm your host Sage and I'm joined by my co-host and unpaid intern, my dad. Hello! This week we watched Friday the 13th for our 13th episode. So let's do a little bit of a backstory section here. This is our section where we talk about what we've been doing this week since the last episode,

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That's our section where we talk about what we've been doing this week since the last

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like what we've been watching, what we've done.

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episode, like what we've been watching, things we've done.

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So since the last episode, the Seattle International Film Festival occurred and I, we watched,

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Since the last episode, the Seattle International Film Festival has been delivered. And we went and watched one of the movies that was a fun film. It was a fun film. It was a fun film. Yeah, it was a fun film.

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we went and watched one of the movies that was happening. It was called "Ajumma." It was really cute, it made me cry a lot. Yes, and since then,

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I don't think I really knew about this until it actually went through.

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I don't think I really knew about SIFF until it actually like the event was happening because I

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It was happening in the film. But they still have theaters around Seattle.

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saw the billboard for it but they still have you know they have theaters around Seattle and

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And in fact, they're buying the very storied theater here in Seattle called Cinerama and reopening it with the famous chocolate popcorn.

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and in fact you're buying the very storied theater here in Seattle and reopening later this year I I think so. Yes. So yeah. So and you've seen a bunch of horror films recently. Yes, I watched

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So we're very excited about this. Yeah, so and you've seen a bunch of horror films recently? Yes, I watched X.

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X. Okay let's preface this by saying X is definitely. Yes. You need to clear that with

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Okay, and let's preface this by saying X is definitely not-- You need to clear that with the proper authorities before you watch it if you're a teen.

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the proper authorities before you watch it. Definitely, yeah. It's a little corny. Yeah.

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It's it's a little porny. Yeah. And, and rough and violent.

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and violin.

Ethan: 2:07

Yeah. But it's a it's a good-- I enjoyed it. I liked it as a film.

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- Yeah.- But it's a good, I enjoyed it. I liked it as a film.

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In the past, it was a very good, um, film.

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- Good cast, very good sound design, I think.

Ethan: 2:15

Yep, it was tense. It was really tense. Yeah

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That's what stuck with me. Very tense.

Ethan: 2:19

Sure, yep

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So I watched it because I wanted to see Pearl, but you know, I really, I'm big on watching them in order. So, so yeah, I recommend it if you think you can handle it,

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And

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but you gotta be really honest with yourself. And also, like, if it's not needed to go through the film,

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also, like if Somebody needs to approve films you need to check with them

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so you can-- Yeah.

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That's like don't don't put it on us that we told you to watch this yeah, yeah

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Yeah, please, please, please. Don't put it on us. Yeah, I don't want to be responsible for any dramatic--

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There's a lot of there's sex and violence in that movie in that order

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yeah.--in that order.

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All right, what else you gave a speech recently I think

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All right, what else? You gave a speech recently. I did, yeah.

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To the United Nations right now to your English class

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Well, in my English class-- yeah, mm-hmm, yeah. Right, so same thing, pretty much. So one of our assignments, we did this speeches unit, whatever. And so we had to come up with a topic for our speech.

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Yeah

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And I was like, what do I do?

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[inaudible]

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And I was like, it has to be something about film. Because it could be something kind of argumentative or informative. And I was like, well, I love film, so we'll talk about it. And I talked about film composers and specifically ghost composers. And I actually learned a lot about the film composing industry and how it's very unfair and how streaming services have impacted it really negatively. And there's these things called ghost composers, which are like ghost writers. And they kind of do a lot of work. And they don't really receive that much credit, if any.

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credit and money and yeah absolutely.

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Yeah, so that was very fun. And a funny thing, I was getting my speech peer reviewed. And someone was like, what is a film composer? And I was like, oh my god, I have to rewrite my whole speech now. Because I was kind of going on under the assumption that people knew what a film composer was.

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What a composer was yeah for a film.

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And you know, it's understandable that people don't know what it is.

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Sure.

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I'm not saying like, I'm not trying to be like, like, um, better than everyone else.

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Because I know I'm better than everybody else I don't need to be like that I don't need

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Cause I know what a film composer is. Yeah, no.

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to say anything. Yeah, no, I know what you're saying. Yeah, sure. No, that's cool that you

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Um, you know, I get it. Like it's like terminology that for some people is really common, but other people, you know, they didn't, they've never heard it before. So yeah, I'm very, I hope that it was at least somewhat interesting for some people.

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could introduce people to that. Yeah, and Ghost Composers, we have your back. We're

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Yeah.

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rooting for you. It's also hard that they're ghosts, isn't it? It's hard to be a specter

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and it was also recently Father's Day.- It's also the heart of their ghost.- Yeah, no, it's fine.(laughs)

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in the corporeal world.

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- Corporial world.

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Yeah, so Father's Day. Let me talk about Father's Day. I had--

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Yeah, so Father's Day, let me talk about Father's Day.- Okay, well first I gotta brag a little bit.

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Okay. Yeah. That's right. Yep, Elliott Bay, here in Seattle. Great bookstore.

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I orchestrated a whole day.- That's right.- We went to bookstore.- Yep, LA Bay.- LA Bay bookstore. then we went to this Thai place and then I bought you and me and my brother tickets for a movie.

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And then I bought you and me and the brothers a good tour. A movie.

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A movie! So let me lay this out. Yeah. So this was a great conversation. Thank you.

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And it was-- so let me lay this out. So this was a great Father's Day, by the way.

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And it was great. It was just like such a joy to have you guys. Like this kind of surprised me and

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I would rank this as my top Father's Day. And it was great. It was just such a joy to have you guys just kind of surprise me and plan this thing where we're like,

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planned this thing. You're gonna drive. We're gonna drive downtown. We'll tell you what's gonna happen.

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you're going to drive-- we're going to drive downtown, and we'll tell you what's going to happen once we get there.

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I was pretty certain you guys were going to kill me. I thought it was like...

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I was pretty certain you guys were going to kill me. I thought it was like, Plan A and fall back, have an awesome time.

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That was the first plan. The first plan. Plan A, fall back, have an awesome time. Okay, I'm glad we went with plan A.

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Okay, I'm glad we went to Plan B then.

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So, so after Gap is a bookstore, and then Thai Booth, and we went to see a movie at one of the

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So after the bookstore and then Thai food, then we went to see a movie at one of the

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CIFF theaters at the adjustment, which was a very cool theater. Very retro, awesome, kind of like

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Sif theaters of the Egyptian which is a very cool theater, very retro, awesome, kind of 19, like late 20s, early 30s vibe inside with all the Egyptian decoration.

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like Lake Bunkins 35 inside of the movie. And the movie, it turns out, is Blue Velvet.

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And the movie, it turns out, was Blue Velvet.

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- Yeah.- And you and I had talked about seeing a David Lynch film.

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And you and I had talked about seeing a David Lynch film.

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- Because Sif, yeah.

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And you have seen some before.

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- You have seen some before. You knew what you were getting into.

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You knew what you were getting into. This is like, you'd seen Lost Highway.

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It was like, we had lost Highway.- 'Cause Sif is doing right now this David Lynch,

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So, you know, your brother is fourteen, okay, you're sixteen right now, and you've been

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I don't know what it's called.- Serious, right?- Yeah, serious, serious. So they're playing a bunch of David Lynch films. And I was like, oh my God, we should go see one. And then I had the idea to do it for Father's Day. But that means that my brother would have to come along.- That's right. So, so, and this was, so you know, your brother is 14, okay? You're 16. - Yeah.- And you've been watching horror films for years now.

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watching horror films for years now and you've seen some like rough horror films like we're

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And you've seen some like rough horror films, like we were just talking about.

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just talking about you know X and stuff like this like you I feel like you're you can handle

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- Right, yeah, Sing X.- I feel like you can handle,

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you have the maturity to handle this stuff and it I mean he's a mature kid too I'm not

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you have the maturity to handle this stuff. And I mean, he's a mature kid.- Yeah.

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saying he's not mature and I actually 100% think that he handled stuff but I had a moment

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- And actually 100% think he's an ableist.- Right.- But I had a moment where we were walking in

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where we were walking in where I was like somebody's gonna call Child Protective Services

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where I was like, somebody's gonna call about protective services

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when we walk out of this theater because I have my kids with me because it's a very like

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when we walk in. - Oh my God.- And I'm like, that's big.'Cause it's a very, like the movie deals with sexual violence.

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the movie deals with sexual violence like violence and sexuality or like sexualized

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Like violence and sexuality. - Yeah, yeah.- Sexualized violence. - And like abuse.

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violence or violent violent-sized sex I'm not sure how to put it but it's there's yeah

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- Or violence. Violence-sized sex, I'm not sure how to put it, but it's, there is, yeah.

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yeah I really like I mean yeah there was a moment where the moment you like because we

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- Yeah, and after I bought, 'cause I was like,"Oh, that's the David Lynch film that is playing on Father's Day." After I bought tickets, I was like,"Maybe I should watch the trailer for this movie."- Yeah, I really, like, I mean, there was a moment.- But even the trailer though, didn't really.- Like, 'cause we were right there,

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right there and you were like, "We're gonna see," and it was like the doors are thrown

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and you were like, "We're gonna see." And it was like, the doors are thrown open.

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open, "Blue Velvet!" I was like, "Wow."

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- Blue Velvet. Oh my God.- I was like, wow.

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You've seen it, either.

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- 'Cause you never seen it either, right?

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No, actually, it's true. I hadn't seen it. I mean, I had seen bits of it and I knew kind

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- No, actually, it's true. I hadn't seen it. And I mean, I had seen bits of it and I knew like how intense it was,

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of how intense it was but not really how intense it was. I've seen most other David Lynch films

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but not really how intense it was. I've seen like most other David Lynch films for some

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but for some reason I've never seen Blue Velvet. And so, like, I had a moment where

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reason. So like I had a moment where I was like, oh, maybe, but it's okay. It's going

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I was like, "Oh, maybe, but, oh, it's okay, it's gonna be okay." And there was definitely,

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to be okay. There was definitely, there was definitely scenes where I'm like, whoa, let's

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there was a couple scenes early on where I'm like, "Whoa, let's hope I'm not scarring

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hope I'm not scarring.

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your brother for life." Yeah, I know, like, is he in shock? Is it? Yeah, is he blanked

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I know I was like does he even understand what's going on? Yeah I know like is he in shock? Has he blanked out? Yeah he blanked out.

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out? Is he having a fugue state moment here? But it was fine, like, so, just to talk about

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Is he having a fugue state moment? But it was fine like so just to talk about this for a moment because it was like yeah

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this for a moment because it was like yeah you know it's a real thing to watch a movie

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you know it's a real thing to watch a movie like that.

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like that. I think it's important to if you do end up watching a movie like that with

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I think it's important so if you do end up watching a movie like that with kids first

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kids, first of all kids don't see that movie like that's also a super grown-up movie.

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of all kids don't see that movie. No no. That's also a super grown up movie.

Ethan: 8:36

Yeah. Right? It's a super grown-up movie. No question.

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Yeah. Right? It's a super grown up movie.

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I think it probably is a good thing to know and I probably would have bought it.

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I probably wouldn't have bought tickets, I think I would have waited for Flint to be

Ethan: 8:41

Yeah probably not. Yeah. But we so how did we handle this? So we saw it and you know

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older. But we, so, how did we handle this? So we saw it, and you know, it was even more intense

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it was even like more intense than I expected. Yeah so the key is I because one of the only

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than I expected. Yeah, so the thing is, I, because one of the only Lynch films that I've seen besides Blue

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I've seen the film that is "Lost Highway" and that is very confusing.

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Velvet is Lost Highway, and that is very dreamlike and confusing and... There is, there is like some sex in that movie.

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There is like some sex in that movie though.

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Yeah yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But the, like it's much more, uh, like, dreamlike.

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Right? I mean it's brief. It's much more, like, the dream. Yeah. And so to me "Blue Velvet" all of a sudden was way more normal from what I was expecting.

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And so to me Blue Velvet almost seemed like way, it was way more normal to me from what I was expecting.

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Whereas in "Lost Highway" you kind of think like, oh this whole thing is a dream or like

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Whereas for Flint... In Lost High where you kind of think like, oh this whole thing is a dream. Yeah, right.

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a fugue state or like you know it's like is this real at all right yeah it feels like

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You know it's like this is a real problem. Because that's what it feels like.

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a dream.

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So to me, in comparison to what my expectations were, it was a lot more normal.

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So to me in comparison to what my expectations were it was a lot more normal but for Glenn

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But for Flint, for my brother, he'd never seen a David Lynch film.

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my brother you've never seen a David Lick movie you've never seen any kind of media

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I'd never seen any kind of media that was like that way.

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that was like that way that was like really accurate.

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That was like, it didn't really have to make sense, you know.

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Yeah he's graduated from like the Marvel Cinematic Universe to the David Lick Cinematic

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- He's graduated from like the Marvel Cinematic Universe.- Yeah, David Lynch.

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Universe.

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And it might've been too early.

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And I might have looked too early.

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- Like, okay, so here's what I wanna say.

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Okay, so here's what I want to say about that. So one, like, it's don't see it. You know,

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So one, like, it's don't see it. You know what I mean?

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I mean, like, I loved seeing it and I loved that movie and I had a great Father's Day

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Like, I love seeing it and I love that movie and I had a great father's day and I'm glad.

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and I'm glad we saw it. Okay? I'm personally, as a parent, comfortable introducing you guys

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- Yeah. - Okay. I'm personally, as a parent, comfortable introducing you guys to some somewhat adult content.

Ethan: 10:07

to some somewhat adult content. Okay? As long as we talk about it. Like, that's always the

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Right. As long as we talk about it. Like that's always the same family, right?

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policy in our family right we we're a highly communicative family in my opinion like we

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We're a highly communicative family in my opinion. Like we talk about stuff.

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talk about stuff well you and i talk about stuff um and i think that that it's really

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Well, you're a nice guy. And I think that really, and we talked about, like afterwards, we talked about it.

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and we talked about like afterwards we talked about it like you can't pretend that you didn't

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Like you can't pretend because we didn't see anything.

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see anything yeah i i think i think you and you were still weeping yeah no um i because

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I think you and Flint talked about it more than we talked about it because- You were still weaving. Yeah, yeah. No, I think because I could tell- he asked one question and I could tell,

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I could tell, he asked one question and I could tell, oh my god, that's really, really

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oh my god, like he really- it was really crazy for him. He was like,

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- I was like, I have questions, I'm wrong.

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"Why was that guy obsessed with that song?" And I was like, "Oh my god, he really is."

Ethan: 10:56

Oh my god.

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Yeah, because it was a legit question.

Ethan: 10:57

Yeah, but that's a legit question too, right?

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yeah i know because well to me and then it was interesting because i was like oh maybe i should

Ethan: 11:00

Well, to me, and then it was interesting because I was like, oh, maybe we should be questioning

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be questioning this more but to me i just accepted i was like yeah this is part of

Ethan: 11:04

this more. But to me, I just, I thought that was like, yeah, this is part of -

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watching a david lynch movie is like yeah that guy just is obsessed with that song yeah like you know

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The weirdness of David Lynch. Yeah. Yeah, that guy - Some stuff is going to be, right.

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but then there was also we we had like a really good discussion about like the biblical

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But then there was also-- we had a really good discussion about the biblical symbolism

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yeah which is very interesting yeah because i i've never read the bible i didn't grow up

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of good and evil and yeah. I've never read the Bible. I know you do.

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i know you did but i didn't grow up religious um and i think it's very i think religion is very

Ethan: 11:24

But I think it's great. I think religion is great.

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interesting and it also informs the fun yeah yeah and like pop culture yeah a lot

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And it also informs a ton of Western media like literature, pop culture, literature,

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there's a lot of biblical symbolism that ends up in it and not just biblical but mythological

Ethan: 11:37

film. lot of biblical symbolism that ends up in it and not just biblical but mythological

Sage: 11:42

yeah yeah so i think that's very interesting um i think religion i don't think religion itself is

Ethan: 11:42

and you know the bible has mythological imagery in it so yeah i think religion i don't think religion itself is bad

Sage: 11:49

bad. I think what people do with religion can sometimes be counter-protective but

Ethan: 11:53

yeah i think that's that's a fair that's a fair assessment so different separate podcast

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probably shouldn't get into that right now. Yeah but yeah so um to sum it all up I might have given him a little taste of

Ethan: 11:59

Yes. But yeah, so, um, if someone left, I might have given him a little bit of a...

Sage: 12:07

yeah cinema yeah yeah um he sought to like I would say if you'd asked me ahead of time

Ethan: 12:09

Like, the horror, I don't know. Cinema. We'll just say cinema and leave it at that. He sought to, like, I would say, if you'd asked me ahead of time, I would have said like, "Oh, 14's too early, you shouldn't see it."

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Yeah, so but I mean, listen, you know, there, you will never see everything at the time

Ethan: 12:20

But listen, you know, sometimes we get exposed... You will never see everything at the time that you are...

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that you are supposed to.

Ethan: 12:28

Yeah.

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I also think I give this is a for kid, for human being assessment.

Ethan: 12:29

think I give this is a per kid per human being assessment that you have to make I think he can handle and process and think about these things absolutely and

Sage: 12:36

I think he handled the process. Yeah, absolutely. And we talked about it really good stuff afterwards.

Ethan: 12:42

we talked about him and we had a really good discussion afterwards and I think

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afterwards and I think it was a success. I think there's some kids where if they saw

Ethan: 12:45

it was a success because of that I think there's some kids where if they saw that

Sage: 12:48

that they would be like, "just run into us" or just take the wrong message. Or just have

Ethan: 12:48

they would be like traumatized or like or just like take the wrong message from it or like or just have it be a pure spectacle. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And you know, listen,

Sage: 12:57

it be pure specious. Yeah. Like in families where maybe that's not such a common thing to talk about, it might be hard also because they might shut down and then be stuck with this thing that don't completely understand and not have anyone to talk about it with. Listen, let's be frank too, like the world is full of horror.

Ethan: 13:16

let's be frank too, like the world is full of horror and terror and you, I mean like

Sage: 13:20

Yeah, I think- I mean like you've been involved in a school of shooting,

Ethan: 13:22

you've been involved in a school shooting, like at your high school, like you guys are

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yeah, your high school, like you guys are dealing with a level of kind of daily stuff

Ethan: 13:27

dealing with a level of kind of daily stuff which is horrific in its own way. And this

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which is horrific in its own way and this goes back to why we watch horror, right?

Ethan: 13:37

goes back to why we watch horror, right? It gives us a safe place to process feelings

Sage: 13:39

it gives us a safe place to process feelings related to the problem.

Ethan: 13:44

related to, you know, trauma and terror and fear and things like that.

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Yeah. Or fear. Mm-hmm. I think we talked about it in one episode, but that's a big reason why-- when people

Ethan: 13:49

Yeah, so the difference between being on a roller coaster and a car crash, right?

Sage: 13:53

ask me why do you enjoy horror, it's because it's like being on a rollercoaster. It's the thrill without the danger. Yeah, it's the difference between being on a rollercoaster and being on a rollercoaster. Yeah. They both have similar, like, physical sensations, but one of them is safe.

Ethan: 14:05

They both have similar like physical sensations but one of them is a safe way to experience

Sage: 14:08

know you'll come out okay, which you can't say about real life. And that's not to say

Ethan: 14:09

this. Yeah.- And that's not to say that I'm trying to avoid real life.

Sage: 14:13

that I'm trying to avoid real life horrors, but I think it can be kind of a healthy way to cope to

Ethan: 14:16

- No. - Horrors. But I think it can be kind of a healthy way to hope

Sage: 14:24

practice experiencing that feeling, you know? Because you can't avoid everything that you

Ethan: 14:24

to practice experiencing that feeling.- Yeah.- Because you can't avoid everything you have.

Sage: 14:34

want to as much as i want to avoid feeling like that in real life you can never avoid that and so

Ethan: 14:35

I want to avoid feeling like that in real life. You can never avoid that. So I think the next best thing is to experience it with your self-image.

Sage: 14:41

i think the next best thing is to experience it healthily and that also goes back to talking about

Ethan: 14:46

And that's also the best thing to keep talking about when you keep talking about it and possibly

Sage: 14:50

like you said talking about it and processing it with flint after he saw it because you can't avoid

Ethan: 14:51

just like after you saw it because you can't avoid things like that.

Sage: 14:56

seeing stuff like that yeah and you're right and there are always movies that you see too young i

Ethan: 14:56

Yeah, and you're right. And there are always movies that you see too young. I mean, I think I mentioned to you there was like a This American Life episode where there's

Sage: 15:01

I mean, I think I mentioned to you there was this American life, there's a guy who talks

Ethan: 15:05

There's a guy who talks about seeing "The Shining" when he

Sage: 15:06

about seeing The Shining in the Loop of Six kind of accidentally or like it's full and

Ethan: 15:08

was like six kind of accidentally, or his uncle let him watch it, which is a terrible decision.

Sage: 15:12

wide. Yeah, something like that. Any horrible damage for decades as a result.

Ethan: 15:15

And he had horrible nightmares for decades as a result. And that's damagingly early.

Sage: 15:19

And that's the kind of, like that's damaging.

Ethan: 15:24

And I think because Flint is able to process and talk

Sage: 15:24

And I think because it's able to process and talk and speak and think about complex subjects,

Ethan: 15:28

and speak and think about complex subjects, that it was that we were able to to kind of talk through things.

Sage: 15:32

that we were able to talk through them.

Ethan: 15:34

And I think he was able to appreciate the symbolism

Sage: 15:36

And I think he was able to appreciate the simplicity of the film.

Ethan: 15:38

and the the kind of the intent behind the film. But yeah, it's so that again, per human being, per kid assessment,

Sage: 15:43

So again, for human beings, for assessment, you have to give them yourself, you have to

Ethan: 15:47

you know, you have to know yourself, you have to don't go out and watch it

Sage: 15:49

don't go out and watch it.

Ethan: 15:50

without getting clear, you know, don't get parents upset at us.

Sage: 15:51

- Yeah.- Don't get parents upset at us.

Ethan: 15:53

But yeah, there are movies.

Sage: 15:53

- Yep.- But yeah, I saw the thing when I was 10.

Ethan: 15:57

I saw the thing when I was 10. I was that too early?

Sage: 15:59

Was that too early?

Ethan: 15:59

I think a lot of people probably say it was too early.

Sage: 16:00

I think a lot of people thought this was too early.

Ethan: 16:01

So I think avoiding just not keeping the picture.

Sage: 16:02

- So in conclusion, I think avoidance is not the answer because it's not realistic, it's not possible.

Ethan: 16:06

I mean, realistic is not possible. It doesn't mean you should go out and seek out those films though either.

Sage: 16:09

But--- It doesn't mean you should go out and seek out.- No, no, yeah.

Ethan: 16:11

So it just depends.

Sage: 16:12

- It just depends.

Ethan: 16:13

Yeah.

Sage: 16:13

- But I think it's a really good skill to be able to

Ethan: 16:14

But trying to get people to experience things that you might not think of.

Sage: 16:19

to experience things that you might not be ready for.

Ethan: 16:23

Or that push you out of your comfort zone a little bit.

Sage: 16:23

- Or that push you out of your comfort zone a little bit.

Ethan: 16:25

Yeah.

Sage: 16:25

- Yeah.

Ethan: 16:26

And we definitely put that to the test.

Sage: 16:26

- And we definitely put that to the test, is that right?

Ethan: 16:30

Anyhow, no, not at all.

Sage: 16:30

- Yeah, so my bad.- No, not at all.

Ethan: 16:33

Listen, it was a great Father's Day.

Sage: 16:34

It was a great photo shoot.

Ethan: 16:35

And honestly, I love that we all saw it together for the first time.

Sage: 16:36

Honestly, I loved it, we all saw it together.- Yeah, also great, great soundtrack, very nice.

Ethan: 16:39

Pretty cool. Oh yeah.

Sage: 16:41

♪ She wore blue velvet ♪

Ethan: 16:41

Yeah. Yeah, that's very nicely done. Alright, should we go on to talk about our movie of the episode?

Sage: 16:47

Alright, should we go on to talk about our movie of the episode? Friday the 13th.

Ethan: 17:08

On the thirteenth episode.

Sage: 17:10

My idea, by the way.

Ethan: 17:10

Yep. Alright, let s see, the way we usually start off our movie reviews is we jump into a summary

Sage: 17:12

Not to brag. Alright, uh, let's, the way we usually start off our movie reviews is we jump into a summary

Ethan: 17:22

of the film.

Sage: 17:22

of the film. Alrighty. 1980s Friday the 13th, wait, were you supposed to do the first one?

Ethan: 17:25

Alrighty. 1980 s Friday the 13th was directed by Sean S. Cunningham and stars legendary actress

Sage: 17:32

I think you were supposed to do the first one. Go. 1980s Friday the 13th was directed by John S. Penny and stars legendary actress Betsy

Ethan: 17:39

Betsy Palmer and up and coming actors like Kevin Bacon and Adrian King.

Sage: 17:39

Palmer and up and coming actors like Kevin Bacon and Adrian King. What was originally intended to be a simple money-making popcorn film ended up setting

Ethan: 17:44

What was originally intended to be a simple money-making popcorn film ended up setting

Sage: 17:48

a new bar for on-screen gore and becoming a gold standard for slasher films.

Ethan: 17:48

a new bar for on-screen gore and becoming a gold standard for slasher films.[INAUDIBLE]

Sage: 17:54

The film opens in 1958 with the quintessential American experience of teens around a summer

Ethan: 17:57

[INAUDIBLE][AUDIO OUT]

Sage: 17:59

campfire.

Ethan: 18:02

[no audio]

Sage: 18:06

Strumming a Guitar and Singing a Camp Song While the song has a biblical theme, the two camp counselors that sneak off have a different

Ethan: 18:09

[INAUDIBLE] They are still making it, and the material can be converted.

Sage: 18:13

type of biblical knowledge and mind. They are soon making out in an apparently empty camp building.

Ethan: 18:24

[INAUDIBLE]

Sage: 18:28

A shaky POV shot of someone stalking them ends bloodily as the surprised counsellors,

Ethan: 18:35

The

Sage: 18:40

first smirking and trying to talk their way out of having been caught, are soon screaming in fear as they are slain by the unseen killer. The title card comes up with punchy brass and strings, and something else in the score.

Ethan: 19:00

The title card comes up with punchy brass and strings, and something else in the score. We hear the first breathy sounds of the unusual, memorable and percussive breathing that will

Sage: 19:16

hear the first breathy sound of the unusual, memorable, and percussive breathing that will

Ethan: 19:22

become the iconic sound!

Sage: 19:22

become the iconic sound of the film. The film jumps to the unnamed present and a small town that feels like it's still in the 50s with a young hitchhiker who is all late 70s hair and style.

Ethan: 19:35

[audio drops out] Keeping a lift from the local store, the residents are horrified upon its huge donation of distal

Sage: 19:44

Seeking a lift in a local store, the residents are horrified to find she is going to Camp Crystal Lake, calling it "Camp Blood."

Ethan: 19:49

waste and polyethylene. As we depart with the first ride from the local store driver, he makes a happy viewing of his

Sage: 20:06

As she departs with her first ride from a local truck driver who makes a somewhat leering comment about her. she is accosted by town crazy ralph.

Ethan: 20:10

Up at the camp, a trio of beautiful young counselors including an early career Kevin

Sage: 20:27

as viewers were immediately left wondering could either of these two be the killer from the 1950s? Up at the camp, a trio of beautiful young counselors, including an early career Kevin

Ethan: 20:37

and Bacon arrives in a pickup truck at the camp.

Sage: 20:37

Bacon, arrives in a pickup truck at the camp. Rustly greeted by the barely clothed in jean shorts and new camp owner, they all quickly

Ethan: 20:49

Bruscly greeted by the barely clothed in jean shorts new camp owner, they all quickly pitch

Sage: 20:54

Back to our hitchhiker, her journey ends abruptly after she gets another ride from our friend

Ethan: 20:54

in with some chores. Is that a menacing, weird energy we get from the new owner? Another suspect added to the list

Sage: 21:19

shaky POV cam in a jeep. The killer chases her into the woods where some shockingly decent practical effects show her bloody demise at the point of a knife.

Ethan: 21:37

As the counselors settle in, flirt, play and prepare camp, we soon find them isolated at

Sage: 21:38

As the counselors settle in, flirt, play, and prepare camp, we soon find them isolated at night in the woods.

Ethan: 21:43

night in the woods. The power goes out and one by one they each fall to the hand of the killer.

Sage: 21:55

The power goes out, and one by one they each fall to the hand of the killer.

Ethan: 21:59

Several of the deaths involve a brief shot of bloody practical effects, memorable and

Sage: 21:59

Several of the deaths involve a brief, jot, bloody practical effects, memorable and especially

Ethan: 22:03

especially for the time pretty intense.

Sage: 22:04

for the dying, brilliant heads.

Ethan: 22:05

axe to the head, an arrow pushed up through a bed impaling a counselor's neck, bodies

Sage: 22:06

An axe to the head, an arrow pushed up through a bed and cabling the counselor's neck, bodies

Ethan: 22:11

tossed through windows and hung on doors, the killer eliminates the camp staff one by

Sage: 22:11

through windows hung on doors. The killer eliminates the camp staff one by one

Ethan: 22:15

one till we are left with the final girl, counselor Alice Hardy played by Adrienne King.

Sage: 22:16

till we are left with the final girl, counselor Alice Hardy, played by Adrian King.

Ethan: 22:21

[INAUDIBLE]

Sage: 22:21

Rushing out to greet who she thinks is a woman come to rescue her,

Ethan: 22:23

[inaudible]

Sage: 22:27

we're confronted with a caring maternal face of Pamela Voorhees, a face that quickly contorts into madness as we realize she has been the killer all along.[silence]

Ethan: 22:44

[silence]

Sage: 23:10

As she recounts her need to take revenge upon the camp where her son died, she hunts Alice through the camp.

Ethan: 23:10

As we wait for the credits to roll, the biggest

Sage: 23:16

Alice manages to repeatedly incapacitate Mrs. Voorhees, but frustratingly fails to finish the job each time. Finally, chased to the lakeshore, Alice manages to grab a machete, and with the same mad strength that Mrs. Voorhees seems to have summoned during her murders, decapitates Voorhees in a spray of blood and gore. As we wait for the credits to roll, the biggest shock in the film still awaits us.

Ethan: 23:39

shock in the film still awaits us. Lulled into thinking she s safe, we watch as Alice

Sage: 23:41

Lulled into thinking she's safe, we watch as Alice drifts silently in the lake, the

Ethan: 23:44

drifts silently in the lake with the sun rising and police pulling up to the scene of the

Sage: 23:46

sun rising and police pulling up to the scene at the night's events.

Ethan: 23:48

night s events. As her canoe floats gently in still water, the decayed figure of Jason

Sage: 23:49

As her canoe floats gently in still water, the decayed figure of Jason Voorhees violently

Ethan: 23:53

Voorhees violently leaps from the water and drags her under. We catch our breath only

Sage: 23:54

leaps from the water and drags her under. We catch our breath only when the next scene shows her waking in a hospital.

Ethan: 23:57

when the next scene shows her waking in a hospital. Informed that she s safe, she asks

Sage: 24:00

In form that she's safe, she asks about the boy that dragged her under.

Ethan: 24:02

about the boy that dragged her under. What boy? The police reply. We found nobody there.

Sage: 24:03

What for? The police reply? We found nobody there.

Ethan: 24:07

[Laughter]

Sage: 24:07

Okay.

Ethan: 24:08

Alright, on to our review discussion.[Pause][Claps]

Sage: 24:11

Onto our...

Ethan: 24:12

Alright, on to our review discussion.

Sage: 24:16

Discussion!

Ethan: 24:18

[BLANK_AUDIO]>> So I think one of the important things to mention about this film first is that

Sage: 24:30

So I think one of the important things to mention about this film first is that no one

Ethan: 24:37

no one in the film is expecting it to come later.

Sage: 24:38

in the film was expecting it to become what it did.

Ethan: 24:41

No one involved in it thought that it would be a genius.

Sage: 24:42

No one involved in it thought that it would become this hallmark of slasher films.

Ethan: 24:45

It did. It was really meant just to be a mother. Yeah.

Sage: 24:47

And yet it did.

Ethan: 24:48

But there were options.

Sage: 24:48

It did.

Ethan: 24:49

Yep.

Sage: 24:49

It was really meant to just be a moneymaker.

Ethan: 24:50

And it had the budget. It was half a million dollars. And what did you think of options? It made 40 domestic, like 40 million, just under 40 million dollars domestically and

Sage: 24:54

They call it, they refer to it as a popcorn film many times. And it had the budget to match. It was half a million dollars. And what did it make at the box office? 40? It made 40, just under 40 million dollars domestically and just under 60.

Ethan: 25:10

just under 60 internationally. Yeah.

Sage: 25:12

Yeah, so pretty impressive.

Ethan: 25:13

So pretty impressive. I can see why they did that.

Sage: 25:14

I can see why they started discussing a sequel days after the release.

Ethan: 25:15

[Inaudible] Yeah. And what's funny is that Becky Palmer was watching the TV of "The Price is Right" and she is always talking about being a new part of it.

Sage: 25:21

And what's funny is that Betsy Palmer, who plays Mrs. Voorhees, she, I was watching this kind of behind the scenes of Friday the 13th and she is always talking about her new car that she wanted and it was the only reason that she took the movie she said I read the

Ethan: 25:33

That's right. We hear it all the time, she's always like... And it was the only reason that she took the news. She said, "Hi. I read the script and it was like, 'No one will see this.'" Yeah.

Sage: 25:39

script and I went no one will see this it will come and it will go and I will have my

Ethan: 25:39

I can absolutely hear her saying this in that cadence that she has.

Sage: 25:44

car that's what she said I was like okay I valid yeah right yeah so but I think I think she seems to enjoy that she did the role.

Ethan: 25:56

Oh yeah, I think she loves it.

Sage: 25:57

'Cause she also talked about how she kind of wanted

Ethan: 25:57

She loves that she did it and that it was successful and iconic.

Sage: 26:00

to break out of the girl next door thing that she had going on. But apparently she also received a bunch of hate mail for the role of Mrs. Warhies.

Ethan: 26:08

Oh, because from people that were fans of hers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because

Sage: 26:08

Yeah, remember people were like,"Yeah, they were like, this is horrible and disgusting."How would you ever do this?"'Cause she wanted a car, I don't know.(laughs)- It's funny because, you know,

Ethan: 26:19

you know there's this whole concept of the idea of like a paycheck movie. You know some

Sage: 26:19

there's this whole concept of, I give a paycheck movie.- Yeah.- That you know, some actors will do movies

Ethan: 26:25

actors will do movies just for a paycheck. Right? And by the way, that's a fine reason

Sage: 26:27

just for a paycheck.- Yeah.- Right, and by the way, that's a fine reason

Ethan: 26:32

to like, that's what the rest of us do for our whole lives is like a job for a paycheck.

Sage: 26:32

to like, that's what the rest of us do.- Yeah, yeah.- In our whole lives.- Yeah.- Is doing a job for a paycheck.

Ethan: 26:38

You know, a job that you kind of don't like but you're doing it for money is called a

Sage: 26:39

Oh, a job that you kind of don't like, but you're doing it for money, is called a job.

Ethan: 26:43

job.

Sage: 26:43

- Yeah, so.

Ethan: 26:44

Yeah.

Sage: 26:44

(laughing)

Ethan: 26:45

But the, you know, the ability to like choose and do something artistic, etc., etc., like

Sage: 26:46

- The, you know, the ability to choose and view something like this, et cetera, et cetera.- Right.

Ethan: 26:50

we hold it up on such a high--

Sage: 26:50

- Like we hold it out.

Ethan: 26:51

You want to do that on a--

Sage: 26:51

- It's a luxury that not everyone has. Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, it makes sense when they do it sometimes.

Ethan: 26:52

Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, it makes sense that they're doing some jobs for paychecks and if they

Sage: 26:55

And if they happen to strike gold in the meantime, with that paycheck drop, great.

Ethan: 26:56

happen to strike gold in the meantime with that job, that paycheck job, great. This goes to show that you can't predict-- there's no one in the movie that can expect

Sage: 27:00

Just goes to show that you can't predict what will happen because no one in the movie expected it to blow up like this. And now it's this icon of horror cinema.

Ethan: 27:06

a different job. Do you remember when we were watching the commentary for the Royal Tenenbaums and they

Sage: 27:13

Do you remember when we were watching the commentary for the Royal Tenfold? what about it and they were talking about ben stiller talking to

Ethan: 27:22

were talking about Ben Stiller talking to Gene Hackman and that Ben Stiller was talking

Sage: 27:25

the actor that that's where we're talking about something else but it's

Ethan: 27:27

about some film that he had seen Gene Hackman in.

Sage: 27:29

the actor said i really love this film i really love

Ethan: 27:30

He said, "I really loved this film. I really loved you in it."

Sage: 27:33

and she had been turned and said that was okay

Ethan: 27:33

Gene Hackman turned to him and said, "That was a paycheck movie."

Sage: 27:37

and ben stiller had a great response and i don't think that jean hackman was like

Ethan: 27:37

And Ben Stiller had a great response. And I don't think that Gene Hackman was like talking down to Ben Stiller, but I think it

Sage: 27:42

talking down to ben stiller but yeah it was a movie that ben so

Ethan: 27:44

was sort of like it was a movie that Ben Stiller really liked him in.

Sage: 27:47

yeah and and his response was really good which was like

Ethan: 27:48

And his response was really good, which was like, "I couldn't tell.

Sage: 27:50

I couldn't tell. I couldn't tell it was a paycheck. Like you still brought like your A-game, you know.

Ethan: 27:51

I couldn't tell it was a paycheck movie for you. Like you still brought like your A-game." You know, which I thought was a nice response.

Sage: 27:55

Yeah, I think so um Betsy Palmer was talking about how she had this whole backstory that she had

Ethan: 27:57

Yeah. Right. Oh yeah, she had a whole thing in her head.

Sage: 28:04

created for Mrs. Voorhees where she's like a teen mom and that's why you know she's working at the camp because the whole thing is she she was a cook at the camp I think. Right, oh yeah she had a whole

Ethan: 28:15

Yeah.

Sage: 28:16

thing in her head. Yeah that is not included in the movie at all but it was for her to get more

Ethan: 28:16

Absolutely. I love that when actors do that.

Sage: 28:22

in character I guess. Yeah. And I respect that you know. Absolutely I love that when actors do that.

Ethan: 28:24

Absolutely. I love that when actors do that. Yeah. Yeah. She had-- She laid it out in the

Sage: 28:27

It's got to be fun to be able to create because it just makes it so much more real. Yeah she had she laid it out yeah that we were listening to where she was like oh yeah she had a kid and the

Ethan: 28:33

commentary that we were listening to where she was like, "Oh, yeah. Yeah." She had a kid and the dad disappeared, right? He like took off. He was scared. And like she had

Sage: 28:38

dad disappeared. Yeah yeah yeah. Like took off he was scared and like she had to raise this kid all

Ethan: 28:43

to raise this kid all on her own. Like very detailed and elaborate like motivation. And

Sage: 28:44

on her own, like very detailed motivation. She's on screen for like five minutes?

Ethan: 28:50

She's on screen for five minutes?

Sage: 28:52

Yeah, not that long. So I think that's the sound of good acting, you know, she's very...

Ethan: 28:53

I don't know. Oh yeah, she brought her A-game.

Sage: 28:56

she's dedicated. She brought her a paycheck.

Ethan: 28:58

It was a paycheck movie, couldn't tell.

Sage: 28:59

Yeah, exactly. So, and she got a car.

Ethan: 28:59

I couldn't tell. Yeah. She got her car.

Sage: 29:03

Yeah, happy ending. Got a car and then I got it.

Ethan: 29:05

Happy ending for everybody involved. Got a car and an iconic movie girl.

Sage: 29:09

Yeah.

Ethan: 29:10

Right, so yeah, it was supposed to be a popcorn movie.

Sage: 29:11

right. So yeah, it was supposed to be a popcorn movie. Everybody. It was a paycheck movie for a

Ethan: 29:14

It was a paycheck movie for a lot of people.

Sage: 29:15

lot of people. Interestingly, a lot of the cast. So this was filmed in New Jersey, right? Camp

Ethan: 29:15

Interestingly, a lot of the cast-- so this was filmed in New Jersey, right, at a camp, Camp Nobibosco.

Sage: 29:21

Novibosko. And it was the actors, the young actors who they specifically described as like wanting

Ethan: 29:23

And it was the actors, the young actors, who they specifically described as wanting-- when they were doing the casting call,

Sage: 29:31

when they were doing the casting. We want people to look like they could be in a Pepsi commercial.

Ethan: 29:32

they were like, we want people who look like they could be in a Pepsi commercial.

Sage: 29:36

and so they got a bunch of young, beautiful young actors on Broadway. They were all like

Ethan: 29:36

And so they got a bunch of young, beautiful young actors from Broadway. They were all in theater.

Sage: 29:40

"oh yeah yeah yeah" so they actually... You can tell a little bit I think.

Ethan: 29:43

So actually, a lot of them were legit acting.

Sage: 29:44

They had really good acting skills, right? They weren't just beautiful, they were like

Ethan: 29:45

they had legit acting skills, right? They weren't just beautiful, they were like beautiful

Sage: 29:49

beautiful young Broadway actors. Yeah.

Ethan: 29:50

young Broadway actors willing to be in a slasher film.

Sage: 29:52

They were willing to be in a slasher film. Yeah, they said in the director's commentary,

Ethan: 29:54

Yeah, they said in the first one, every actor would be 21 and be for us in this film.

Sage: 29:57

I think they were talking about how like every actor under 21 was looking for a spot on this film. Yeah. Money.

Ethan: 30:03

Yeah, money. Looking for that paycheck, right. Okay, so yeah, so everybody, nobody expected

Sage: 30:04

- Yeah, yeah.- That's what you're doing, right? Okay, so yeah, so nobody expected it to be a huge fan.

Ethan: 30:10

it'd be a huge hit. But they had some, not just the acting talent.

Sage: 30:11

- Yeah.- But like, they had some, not just the acting talent.- I think, yeah, they had Tom Savini.

Ethan: 30:16

Yeah, they had Tom Savini. Tom Savini. And?

Sage: 30:19

- Tom Savini, and--

Ethan: 30:20

He did Dawn of the Dead. That's right.

Sage: 30:20

- Who did "Dawn of the Dead."- That's right.- And, you know--- So he was in "Dawn of the Dead."

Ethan: 30:25

So he was in Dawn of the Dead. Oh no, sorry, he was, yes, he was both in it and he did

Sage: 30:27

- No, he also--- Yes, he was both in it.- Yeah, and he did the make, so yeah, so he,

Ethan: 30:31

the makeup. Tom Savini.

Sage: 30:32

Tom Savini, as you mentioned, is like the makeup artist.

Ethan: 30:34

I'm turning into a Tom Savini super fan by the way.

Sage: 30:36

OK, valid. The makeup artist and he did all the special effects,

Ethan: 30:41

Yeah.

Sage: 30:43

things like that.

Ethan: 30:43

I am still to this day impressed with the practical effects in this movie.

Sage: 30:44

And everyone is just talking about how great he was in the director's commentary. Because it seems like everyone really had big respect for him because he was so talented. And they were talking about how he really pushed to the limits of what was possible. I am still to this day impressed with the practical advice. Yeah, they are really good.

Ethan: 31:11

They're really good.

Sage: 31:12

The first kill in this movie, which we'll come to, or which we talked about I guess,

Ethan: 31:12

kill in this movie which we'll come to or which we talked about I guess but

Sage: 31:17

Annie.

Ethan: 31:17

Annie the hitchhiker right which is being chased yeah she's chased through

Sage: 31:18

Annie the projector. Yeah, her throat is slit, right? Yeah, she's chased through the woods and then there's a POV shot where she gets her throat

Ethan: 31:22

woods and then there's a POV shot where she gets her throat slit and you see it

Sage: 31:25

slit. It's great.

Ethan: 31:26

like you just see it you see a girl get her throat slashed open and it's

Sage: 31:27

You see it. you see a girl get her throat slashed.- Yeah. - Careful.

Ethan: 31:30

terrifying as you're like whoa I know it looks like you don't I don't see like

Sage: 31:31

And you're like-- - You're like, oh God. I like grab my throat every time I watch that scene. It's like-- - You don't, I don't see, like sometimes you'll see in some of these 80s effects

Ethan: 31:38

sometimes you'll see your 70s 80s effects and you're like oh look at that

Sage: 31:41

and you're like, oh, look at that latex.

Ethan: 31:42

latex you know like look at that badly colored lit badly painted nope this looks like somebody

Sage: 31:43

- Mm. - Look at that badly--- But no, no. - Badly painted. This looks like somebody getting a throat attack.

Ethan: 31:47

getting their throat cut open yeah and so when marcy died yeah so he was like so i see

Sage: 31:48

- Yeah, and so when Marcy dies in the bathroom with the hatchet in her head, apparently so he was like so I see here you have a death with an axe do you want

Ethan: 31:59

here you have a yes and that's you want a real head i think that's your real action

Sage: 32:01

a real head and a fake axe or a real axe and a fake head and ended up ended up

Ethan: 32:05

I love that. And ended up being a real head.

Sage: 32:07

being a real head and a fake axe but it looks it looks amazing like her hair is

Ethan: 32:09

Which works. Yeah. It looks amazing, like the hair's a little messed up.

Sage: 32:11

a little messed up and the way her eyes like kind of have closed it's like

Ethan: 32:14

Yeah. The way her eyes are frozen.

Sage: 32:15

- It's like gross and, it's great.

Ethan: 32:16

Oh yeah. Oh it's terrifying. It's crazy.

Sage: 32:18

- And the absolute banger scene where Kevin Bacon

Ethan: 32:19

Yeah and the absolute banger scene where Kevin Bacon, they've just had sex, he's like leaning

Sage: 32:22

just had sex.- Here we go.

Ethan: 32:26

back in bed.

Sage: 32:27

Story about this scene.

Ethan: 32:27

I can tell a story about this.

Sage: 32:28

Can I tell my little story?

Ethan: 32:28

Oh yeah you can tell a story, yeah.

Sage: 32:30

- But let me lay out.

Ethan: 32:30

But let me lay out what the, you know, as the audience what we see is Kevin Bacon's

Sage: 32:31

- Yeah, yeah, yeah.- You know, as an audience, what we see is Kevin Bacon.

Ethan: 32:34

laying on the bed and all of a sudden his eyes kind of like open wide like you don't

Sage: 32:34

- And then I'll do the behind the scenes.- And all of a sudden his eyes kind of like open wide. Like you don't know why for a split second.

Ethan: 32:39

know why for a split second and then an arrow like you know hunting arrow pushes up through

Sage: 32:41

arrow like hunting arrow pushes up through its neck. Yeah. So it's like gone through

Ethan: 32:45

his neck like from underneath from under yeah right like I mean like a lot of force right

Sage: 32:48

the bed frame through the mattress. I mean like a lot of it would take a lot of effort.

Ethan: 32:53

it would take a lot of effort to do this yeah yeah yeah okay so tell us now the tell me

Sage: 32:54

And it kind of twists a little bit the blood is like pumping out it's like it's like a little fountain. Yeah. Okay so. And now. In the back. So I'm pretty sure this is Tom Savini

Ethan: 33:03

the back story. You said they could only do one take and that's because they really killed

Sage: 33:05

who is who's doing this like I don't know who else it would be. So yeah they have one.- They really killed Kip and Bacon for the shot.

Ethan: 33:11

Kevin Bacon for the shot. No, it's because it was--

Sage: 33:12

- Yeah, that's why he's in nothing else.

Ethan: 33:13

That's why he's in nothing else.

Sage: 33:14

- He's never been in another bed.

Ethan: 33:14

Right. He's never been in another film since. It's because they only had like enough like

Sage: 33:17

It's 'cause they only had like enough of that.

Ethan: 33:19

of that effect, enough light text or whatever.

Sage: 33:20

- Yeah, so it was this rubber.

Ethan: 33:22

It was rubber.

Sage: 33:23

It was, so actually if you can look up a diagram

Ethan: 33:23

Rubber torso. You can look at a diagram of what was actually happening. It's his head and then he's actually

Sage: 33:27

of what was actually happening. It's his head and then he's kinda, he's actually, the rest of his body is underneath the bed.

Ethan: 33:31

Yeah, it looks good though, it looks pretty natural.

Sage: 33:33

So his head is, his neck is kinda bent in a weird angle, but then his torso is this rubber. And they had, it looks so good.

Ethan: 33:42

You do not suspect for a second that it's, yeah.

Sage: 33:42

That he's like contorted in this weird way.

Ethan: 33:47

Yeah.

Sage: 33:48

But so they have one chance to do this

Ethan: 33:49

Yeah.

Sage: 33:50

because once they do it, there's a big hole in the torso

Ethan: 33:51

So, Tom's a vegan, he's a little vet, and there's this little device for blood to

Sage: 33:53

and they can't redo it. So Tom Zavini is under the bed and there's this little device full of, I think pig's blood or sheep's blood,

Ethan: 34:00

blood. It's funny to me that they actually use drill blood.

Sage: 34:01

something real bloody, I know.

Ethan: 34:03

Yeah.

Sage: 34:04

I mean, yeah, yeah.

Ethan: 34:04

There's a lot of that. Like, aliens, like, yeah, just go to the blood store.

Sage: 34:09

- Yeah, no, for sure.

Ethan: 34:09

Yeah. So, it's this pump.

Sage: 34:10

So it's this pump, and what was supposed to happen

Ethan: 34:12

And what was supposed to happen was, Tom's a vegan, he's supposed to be in the vet,

Sage: 34:14

was Tom Savini was supposed to be under the bed and pump the device and pump blood through this tube

Ethan: 34:17

the device came, comes live through this tube and up through this hole in the rubber torso.

Sage: 34:21

and up through this little hole in the rubber torso,

Ethan: 34:25

Yeah.

Sage: 34:25

or like the rubber neck.

Ethan: 34:26

And so they do the scene, they shoot it, everything looks great. Comes to me,

Sage: 34:27

And so they do the scene, they shoot it, everything looks great. Tom Savini comes up from under the bed,

Ethan: 34:30

he keeps up going to the bed, and he is soaked in blood, drenched, covered, coated.

Sage: 34:31

and he is soaked in blood, drenched, covered, coated.

Ethan: 34:35

Yeah. Um, and they're like, "Hey, what happened? You're not supposed to open it."

Sage: 34:36

And they're like, "Hey, what happened? You're not supposed to look like this."

Ethan: 34:40

And he was like, "Well, it broke." And so I had to, like, blow on the tube,

Sage: 34:40

And he was like, "Well, it broke, and so I had to blow on the tube with my mouth

Ethan: 34:45

I mean, you know, there's this, there's this, uh, by the way, we have to watch a movie you've

Sage: 34:47

to get the blood to come out." Like real blood, real animal blood. And he was just like, like a straw. And he did it for the shot. I mean, yeah, that is real dedication. I just can't.- There's this, by the way, we have to watch a movie you have not seen, with Sam Raimi's "People Dead."

Ethan: 35:07

not seen, which is Sam Raimi's Evil Dead.

Sage: 35:11

- Yeah, yeah.- Because that was also, there's, you'll understand

Ethan: 35:12

Because that was also-- you'll understand when we see and when we talk about it.

Sage: 35:14

what we've seen when we talk about it, but. So just this, this movie was very well done

Ethan: 35:19

This movie was very well done in a lot of ways, but there is also this, "Hey, let's

Sage: 35:20

in a lot of ways, but there is also sort of this like, hey, let's put on a show, kids.

Ethan: 35:24

put on a show, kids."

Sage: 35:26

- Yeah, yeah. - Like a bunch of friends

Ethan: 35:26

Like a bunch of friends getting together to make a movie kind of vibe about it, because

Sage: 35:27

getting together to make a movie kind of, talking about it. - Yeah.- 'Cause they were really at a camp.

Ethan: 35:30

they were really at a camp.

Sage: 35:31

They were really like, just out there in the woods.

Ethan: 35:31

They were really just out there in the woods.

Sage: 35:33

- Yeah, and it's kind of fun, you know.

Ethan: 35:34

They didn't build almost any set, right?

Sage: 35:35

- They didn't build almost any set, right?- Yeah, yeah, yeah.- And so it was just like--

Ethan: 35:37

so it was just like yeah they just used what they had on hand and they had like this really

Sage: 35:38

- They used a lot of what they had.- Yeah, they just used what they had on hand, and they had this really talented guy

Ethan: 35:42

talented guy who could do the makeup like you know he's like that one friend yeah and

Sage: 35:43

who could do the makeup. He's like that one friend.- He carried that movie. I think it is amazing. It holds up still.'Cause there's like, oh, I can respect that practical effect because for the time it looked really good, but still it looks really good. And I know we talk about this every episode,

Ethan: 35:59

And I know we talk about this like every episode, but we are big believers in practicals.

Sage: 36:03

but we are big believers in practical effects over like CGI.

Ethan: 36:06

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I love it.

Sage: 36:08

- Love it, so they definitely stand out.

Ethan: 36:08

So, yeah, they definitely stand up. I think that-- And he was like making them on set in the oven, so he would like bake

Sage: 36:11

And he was like making them on set in the oven.- Yeah, yeah, baking.

Ethan: 36:14

the latex. Yeah, when in the video I was watching, Adrian came and laughed and then I was like baking

Sage: 36:15

There's, yeah, in the video I was watching, Adrian King is laughing about this memory of seeing him baking Betsy Palmer's head in an oven.

Ethan: 36:23

F.E. Thomas head in an oven.

Sage: 36:25

Because, oh my God, the scene

Ethan: 36:25

That's right, the latex version of it, yeah. Oh my god the scene where she's getting decapitated is great because it kind of goes into slow

Sage: 36:28

where she's getting decapitated with the machete is great'cause it kind of goes into slow motion

Ethan: 36:32

motion and you see her head get cut off and you see her hands being different like grass

Sage: 36:32

and you see her head get cut off and then you see her hands come into frame and like grasp at where her head used to be you know like really her hands like clenching it's

Ethan: 36:38

that's where her head needs to be. Yeah, oh it's intense, it's great.

Sage: 36:42

it's so great.

Ethan: 36:43

Yeah, so many good shots.

Sage: 36:44

Yeah, they really.

Ethan: 36:46

They really nailed those.

Sage: 36:47

Yeah kill after kill. The gore is like the.

Ethan: 36:48

Yeah, I feel like they're cool. The gore is like the... They're brief though, they're all brief.

Sage: 36:52

They're brief though. They're all yeah it's very.

Ethan: 36:54

I mean like, you know, we're really kind of dwelling on it, but they're very very short,

Sage: 36:55

kind of dwelling on it but they're very very short you know dots which is also what people

Ethan: 36:58

you know, shots. Which is also I think what makes them work because you're not, you're

Sage: 37:00

think of work because you're not yeah oh my god yeah yeah yeah and and if because of and there's

Ethan: 37:01

not like sitting there staring and saying like, "Wait, is that a rubber thing or is that real?" And, and it because there's, and there's many kills in the movie that you don't

Sage: 37:08

many bills in the movies you don't see oh yeah off screen um and although i think there's some

Ethan: 37:10

see that happen off screen. And I don't know, I think there's some, I'm trying to think

Sage: 37:16

i'm trying to think if there are any bodies that you don't see that just like oh that person

Ethan: 37:17

if there are any bodies that you don't see that just like, "Oh, that person must be dead."

Sage: 37:20

I think we might see all of them. Like a lot of them towards the end, like the one hung

Ethan: 37:21

or do we see all the bodies? Yeah. Because that one girl gets thrown through the window,

Sage: 37:27

up, the one hung up on the door, the one thrown through the window.

Ethan: 37:29

yeah. Right, right. What about the first guy, the kind of the goofball guy who you kind

Sage: 37:31

What about the first guy killed, like the goofball guy who kind of wanted to have dying

Ethan: 37:35

of want to have die anyhow? So annoying. Oh yeah, we see him with his throat slit or something.

Sage: 37:36

dogs? No, do you remember? So he's in, this is horrific, but he's in the punk bed above where Marcy and Jack are having sex. Yeah, it's, oh my god. And I remember because, so they're having

Ethan: 37:47

And I remember we stood there and checked and then there's this stuff of blood that

Sage: 37:49

sex and then there's this drop of blood that comes down to the bottom bunk and Jack is

Ethan: 37:54

comes down to the bottom of the body.

Sage: 37:54

looking at Kevin Bacon and he's like what is that? That's right.

Ethan: 37:57

That's right, yeah it's starting to soak through.

Sage: 37:58

Oh my god and then it pans off and you see his body like.

Ethan: 37:59

And it's all been used to feed his body.

Sage: 38:01

And then is he killed right after that?

Ethan: 38:01

Yeah, and then is he killed right after that? Yeah.

Sage: 38:04

Yeah so he doesn't suffer for long.

Ethan: 38:05

I think so, right? Okay. Yeah, it's not confused, yeah, no time to find out.

Sage: 38:07

That's so gross though. Yeah no time to find out. So I think they do I think they reveal all the bodies at the end to kind of clear up

Ethan: 38:10

So I think they reveal all the bodies at the end to kind of clear up, oh, maybe she's

Sage: 38:16

like oh maybe she's not the killer you know or like.

Ethan: 38:17

talking to her, you know? That's right.

Sage: 38:18

That's right. Okay, so let's just talk about the other fun thing in this film, which actually

Ethan: 38:19

Okay, so let's pause here for a second and just talk about the other fun thing in this film, which actually reminds me of Scream a little bit.

Sage: 38:25

reminds me of Scream a little bit, because it's just growing tons of misdirect connections

Ethan: 38:26

They do this in Scream also, right? Which is just throwing tons of misdirection at you in terms of who the killer is, right?

Sage: 38:31

to the killer. A lot of red-handed things, like a lot of like, okay, this is right away

Ethan: 38:33

A lot of red herrings. Like a lot of like, okay, it could be this guy. is right away the truck driver that gives the hitchhiker a lift. Right? He's a little

Sage: 38:37

the truck driver that gives the detector, he's a little leery, you know, like he's leery

Ethan: 38:42

leery, you know, like he's leering at her, I mean, not leery, like, he should be leery.

Sage: 38:43

entering and not leery. he's leery also. he's leery and leery. yeah um and then his name is leery

Ethan: 38:46

He's leery also. He's leery and leering. And his name is Larry. Larry the leery leerer.

Sage: 38:52

and then so it's yeah so the who actually like appears so he's at yeah he's in town when annie

Ethan: 38:56

But he, so, then, and Ralph. Yeah, so the, who actually like appears, so. Yeah, we get two shots of Ralph. in town when Andy's acting for the right thing.

Sage: 39:04

is asking for directions and then he actually shows up at the camp because he's like run away

Ethan: 39:06

And he actually goes up at the window. That's right. Because he's like run away or something.

Sage: 39:10

or something. Yeah. He's such a good like, I don't know what the direction was for him.

Ethan: 39:11

Yeah. He's such a good-- I don't know what the direction was for that guy,

Sage: 39:14

I know, I know, it's so funny. But um, so but he is trying to warn them, he's like,

Ethan: 39:15

but he's so over the top in his crazy Ralph. But he is pretty warm. Yeah, he's actually the only smart one.

Sage: 39:23

guys like stop, like you will die, you'll, you won't make it out of here alive and yeah.

Ethan: 39:24

Yeah. He'll die. Yeah. Turns out he's not crazy at all.

Sage: 39:28

He's just done shaven. Yeah. He's done shaven and smart. That's the problem. Yeah so. Yeah,

Ethan: 39:29

Yep. He's just unshaven. He's unshaven and smart. It's the problem. So. Yeah, although he does menacingly come, like, stalk them, or appear to stalk them in the

Sage: 39:35

although he does menacingly stalk them or seem appear to stalk them. yeah yeah a little weird so kind of creepy so but yeah

Ethan: 39:40

kitchen, or like shows up in a closet or something. But you start to stack up these like, "Oh, is it this guy?

Sage: 39:43

you start to stack up these like oh is this guy is that guy and then like the camp director

Ethan: 39:46

Is it that guy?" And then like the camp director, Mr. Jean Shorts.

Sage: 39:48

yeah yeah mr jorts oh my god yeah uh mr jorts is totally

Ethan: 39:50

Mr. Jorts. Yeah, Mr. Jorts is totally... he's kind of a creepo.

Sage: 39:53

free he's a creep even if he's not the killer he's still a creep yeah because at one point

Ethan: 39:55

Even if he's not the killer, he's still a creep. Yeah. one point Adrian King's character Alice is like drawing I think and he's like hey those

Sage: 40:00

adrian king's character alice yeah Yeah. He's like, "Hey, those are really good."

Ethan: 40:04

are really good drawings. Yeah and he's kind of like I think he puts his hand on her shoulder

Sage: 40:05

Ugh, I could go, but I... Yeah, and he's kind of like, I think he puts his hand on your shoulder. Mm-hmm. And, you know, we think that people used to be cool with that kind of thing, but I kind

Ethan: 40:09

or something. And you know we think that people used to be cool with that kind of thing but

Sage: 40:11

of feel like it shows, like, no, we knew that men were being creepy even back then.

Ethan: 40:14

I kind of feel like it shows like no we knew that men were being creeps even back then.

Sage: 40:18

Yeah. Like, we knew.

Ethan: 40:19

Like we knew everybody knew that you know that kind of behavior was creepy and weird.

Sage: 40:20

Everybody knew that, you know, that kind of behavior was creepy. Yeah, and I think, okay, this is a very tiny thing, but I think it kind of ties into a

Ethan: 40:23

I know where you're going.

Sage: 40:30

larger idea. Yeah. But like so for example with the driver, the guy who...

Ethan: 40:34

Yep. Oh I don't know where you're going at all.

Sage: 40:39

I don't know where you're going. I was totally wrong.

Ethan: 40:40

I was totally wrong.

Sage: 40:41

What did you think I was saying? What did you think I was gonna say?

Ethan: 40:41

Off base. Wow. It's like I don't even know you anymore.

Sage: 40:47

I thought you were gonna talk about whether or not the final girls kind of version of all of them.

Ethan: 40:47

I thought you were going to talk about whether or not the final girl is kind of virginal

Sage: 40:52

Oh that's good as well. Oh yeah so it you know yeah yeah so I'll talk about both.

Ethan: 40:53

and that she's actually probably not.- Oh yeah, so.- Don't forget what you were gonna say though.- So, other world rules.

Sage: 41:00

So pretty much it's kind of suggested that she's had some sort of history with

Ethan: 41:00

- Okay.- It's kinda suggested that she's having a history.

Sage: 41:03

Steve. Yeah with Steve yeah. His name is not really Mr. George by the way.

Ethan: 41:04

- Steve?- Yeah. - Mr. Jorts?- Yeah.- His name is not really Mr. Jorts by the way.

Sage: 41:08

Yeah disappointingly. His father. Yeah call me Steve.

Ethan: 41:09

That's his father. My father was Mr. Jorts.- Yeah, of course.

Sage: 41:12

So it's kind of suggested they have a history so even though there's this whole classic idea that

Ethan: 41:12

- Call me Steve.(laughing)- But so it's kinda suggested that he's history, so even though there's this whole classic idea

Sage: 41:19

the final girl is a virgin I don't think she is. Yeah I get the impression that he's kind of like

Ethan: 41:19

that the final throw is the word Yeah, I get the impression maybe like she's kind of like eager to leave because maybe

Sage: 41:25

like computer needs because maybe he did have a little thing, a little summer playing or

Ethan: 41:27

maybe they did have a little thing, a little summer fling or something or maybe you know

Sage: 41:30

something. Maybe, you know, a couple beers on the down.

Ethan: 41:31

after a couple beers on the dock they're like oh that, and she's like that was a bad decision,

Sage: 41:35

And now he's being creepy.

Ethan: 41:37

now he's all over me, I think I'm gonna take off, I'm out of this, out of this joint.

Sage: 41:37

Now he's all over me. I think I'm gonna take off. I'm out of this going. So the other thing I was gonna talk about, like the very small thing, was that, so I

Ethan: 41:44

So I wrote this down, but I think I wrote something that the writer, the first writer,

Sage: 41:48

wrote this down on my notes because I was taking notes while we were watching it, that the driver who first drives Annie to, who starts to drive her to the camp,

Ethan: 41:58

he wrote to write this.

Sage: 41:59

he is kinda, I read him right away

Ethan: 42:01

Yes. I read him right away from multiple reasons, and I wrote down, can't tell if that's a movie

Sage: 42:03

as kind of creepy and like coming onto her for multiple reasons. And I wrote down, can't tell if that's the movie or just me. And I think part of it is like,

Ethan: 42:11

And I think part of it's like, I feel like I'm so hyper aware of that, and I wish I could

Sage: 42:13

I feel like I am so hyper aware of that. And I wish I didn't have to,

Ethan: 42:22

not go through a lot of people.

Sage: 42:22

I'm sure a lot of people are, especially girls. Yeah. I feel like I'm constantly calculating

Ethan: 42:24

Because you're a girl in the world, Sage, unfortunately. I feel like I'm on to the meeting. Yeah. Like, how could I do that?

Sage: 42:33

what did that mean. Today, actually, I was helping my friend man this thing at this event

Ethan: 42:34

Yep. So I was, I was just today at the meeting.[inaudible]

Sage: 42:42

where there were a lot of people and we had a little booth thing and men kept coming up and like saying stuff or just like waving hi like in kind of weird ways and I just both of us we would look at each other and be like that was weird right and it's like part of it is like I feel crazy for thinking that so many things are weird but then I'm like I feel like better safe

Ethan: 43:04

Don't feel crazy. No trust your trust your instincts. Yeah. Yeah better safe than sorry also

Sage: 43:07

than sorry you know also I think that uh women are thought dead of it it's a lot of time around

Ethan: 43:10

I think that women are talked out of trusting their instincts a lot of time around about men

Sage: 43:14

about men. And they're also doing this by men. Like, "Oh no, you totally misread that."

Ethan: 43:14

And they're also talked out of this by men, you know, like oh no, I you totally misread that, you know

Sage: 43:20

When something feels weird and if you feel like you're going crazy because someone is telling you

Ethan: 43:20

No, just listen just trust your instincts Yeah But like it's not normal. It isn't like if they're telling you it's normal and you feel

Sage: 43:29

that it's normal, then like it's not normal. It doesn't, like if they're telling you it's normal

Ethan: 43:33

like it's normal.

Sage: 43:35

and you feel like it's your fault or your problem then it's not. Yeah right, there's a ton of

Ethan: 43:38

Yeah, also there's a ton of--listen. Yeah, right. There's a ton of normalized stuff,

Sage: 43:41

normalizing stuff, which may be "normal" but shouldn't be accepted. It's not crazy for

Ethan: 43:42

normalized bad behavior which may be "normal" but shouldn't be and shouldn't be accepted and you're not crazy for thinking that it shouldn't be normal.

Sage: 43:48

thinking that it shouldn't be normal. I'm sure every woman has heard this, like,

Ethan: 43:50

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure every woman has heard of this. Like, trust your instinct, you know,

Sage: 43:53

"Trust your instinct, don't let..." But they've heard it a million times because it's so important.

Ethan: 43:55

I don't know if you've heard it, but it's so important.

Sage: 43:59

It can be life-saving. And I've been in a lot of situations where I should have listened

Ethan: 44:00

It can be life. And I've been to a lot of places where I should have listened to that little voice.

Sage: 44:05

to that little instinct, the little voice I had.

Ethan: 44:08

Yeah, actually I think that it was intentional to make him out as a potential creep.

Sage: 44:08

Actually, I think that it was intentional to make him out as like, yeah, yeah, definitely. Because even that little kind of behavior that was just a little bit off

Ethan: 44:14

Yeah, absolutely. So, um, right, cause he makes that right away, that weird comment like, "are all the girls

Sage: 44:21

is enough to establish him as a possible killer. Yeah, absolutely. So, um, right. Because he, you know, he makes that right away that we're in a problem. Like, are all the girls up there?

Ethan: 44:33

up there as pretty as you?

Sage: 44:33

is pretty good for you. I'm just being a jolly guy.

Ethan: 44:35

Har har har har. I'm just being a jolly guy." But also, that's a totally inappropriate thing to say.

Sage: 44:38

- Yeah.- It's a totally inappropriate thing to say.- Yeah, and the whole thing with,

Ethan: 44:41

I don't know, actually, I can't take a joke.

Sage: 44:42

oh, that was just, can't you take a joke?

Ethan: 44:43

Wait, does he really literally say that?

Sage: 44:44

- Yeah.

Ethan: 44:45

I don't know how he says that.

Sage: 44:45

- Like, no, actually I can't take a joke if it's like that.

Ethan: 44:46

That reminds me exactly of "can't you take a joke" though, right?

Sage: 44:47

I don't know if he says that, but.

Ethan: 44:48

Yeah. Which is, by the way, for our audience, let's be clear that "can't you take a joke" is a

Sage: 44:49

- It reminds me exactly of can't you take a joke.- Yeah, yeah.

Ethan: 44:52

terrible thing that men say to women when they are called out for saying something wrong

Sage: 44:52

It's such.- For our audience, let's be clear, that can't you take a joke is a terrible thing

Ethan: 44:56

or inappropriate.

Sage: 44:56

to say to women when they are called out.

Ethan: 44:57

Yeah, it's like a fallback to the universe.

Sage: 44:58

- It's, yeah, it's like a fallback for whenever,

Ethan: 44:59

Yeah. Because they'll kiss the women and then they'll just get that thing.

Sage: 45:02

'Cause they'll test your limits,

Ethan: 45:05

Yeah.

Sage: 45:05

and then if you get upset, they'll go,

Ethan: 45:06

What's wrong with you?

Sage: 45:07

"Oh, can't you take a joke?

Ethan: 45:07

Like, I don't know. Yeah.

Sage: 45:08

That was just a joke, I was just joking."

Ethan: 45:09

What's wrong with you?

Sage: 45:09

Yeah.

Ethan: 45:10

Yeah.

Sage: 45:10

Like, it's not, even if it was a joke,

Ethan: 45:11

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sage: 45:13

it's like not, that doesn't mean it's okay.

Ethan: 45:14

So, the moral, what we take away from this movie is Men are Creeps.

Sage: 45:16

Like that makes it worse sometimes, you know? So.- The moral, what we take away from this movie is "Matter of Creeps."- Yeah.- But it turns out it's not a man, it's a killer.

Ethan: 45:24

But it turns out it's not a man is a killer. So there you go.

Sage: 45:26

- Yeah, you know, that's another thing is, they intentionally, they talk about, in the director's commentary,

Ethan: 45:31

Yeah.

Sage: 45:32

they talk about how the killer is quote unquote male coded.

Ethan: 45:33

the killer is sort of male-toed.

Sage: 45:36

So in every scene where you don't actually see Betsy Palmer,

Ethan: 45:36

So in every scene where you don't ask him to be the bomber,

Sage: 45:41

it's a guy playing the killer.

Ethan: 45:42

it's a guy between the boots.

Sage: 45:43

When you see just like the boots,

Ethan: 45:44

The hand, the boots, yep.

Sage: 45:45

the heavy work boots, the hands, everything like that, it's male coded.

Ethan: 45:47

It's male-toed. Yeah.

Sage: 45:49

And then--

Ethan: 45:50

Those heavy work boots remind me of seeing Scream,

Sage: 45:50

- Yeah, those heavy work boots are missing screen.

Ethan: 45:53

because in Scream there's a couple shots of like men

Sage: 45:53

'Cause in screen there's a couple of thoughts of like--- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ethan: 45:55

wearing heavy boots. So if you realize, oh my god, it's a small--

Sage: 45:57

So it's like, and then you realize, oh my god, it's this mom who is crazy

Ethan: 46:02

right

Sage: 46:05

about keeping her kids safe. They talk about inverting the expectation.

Ethan: 46:09

yeah it's it's a

Sage: 46:12

- It's such a great motivation.

Ethan: 46:13

and it's a is it such a great motivation right like she's she's just like

Sage: 46:16

- Yeah, 'cause you realize she is truly crazy.

Ethan: 46:19

yes you include i mean understand her

Sage: 46:19

- Yeah, I understand it hurts.

Ethan: 46:21

kid died she tried to get drowned

Sage: 46:21

- Kid died, yeah. And when she's talking in his voice, it's great.

Ethan: 46:25

yeah

Sage: 46:27

Kill her mommy, kill her.

Ethan: 46:28

Yeah, right, it's very creepy. Very creepy.

Sage: 46:29

Yeah, right, it's very creepy. Yeah, she does that really well, I think.

Ethan: 46:31

Did she do something really well? Yeah, yep. Yeah, Jason Voorhees.

Sage: 46:33

Yeah, Jason Voorhees. Who originally was not planned to be the killer.

Ethan: 46:36

Who originally was not planned to be the story.

Sage: 46:41

If they hadn't... so, here's a question.

Ethan: 46:41

If they hadn't... So, here's a question.

Sage: 46:44

So I actually haven't seen any of the other writing movies.

Ethan: 46:44

So I actually haven't seen any of the other Friday the 13th movies.

Sage: 46:46

Me neither.

Ethan: 46:46

I've seen Jason Voorhees all the time.

Sage: 46:47

I've seen Jason Voorhees all the time. Like, in movies, or like both movies, but I've never seen it.

Ethan: 46:52

Like, in movies, or like posters and things, but never... I've never seen any other movies. And I wonder if he hadn't come up out of the lake at the end,

Sage: 46:58

and I wonder if you hadn't come up yeah they just hadn't like that was a really hard shot

Ethan: 47:03

if they just hadn't filmed it. That was a really hard shot for them to get.

Sage: 47:06

it was really cold it was like in September or something they did it like

Ethan: 47:07

It was filmed-- it was cold. It was in September or something. It was like-- Yeah, I mean, the whole movie was

Sage: 47:11

I think they did it three times two or three times max the whole movie was filmed in like

Ethan: 47:15

filmed in kind of chilly weather,

Sage: 47:15

kind of chilly weather yeah they made up with like summer yeah yeah but that was that was

Ethan: 47:17

even though they made it look like summer. And they did a convincing job. But that was definitely one of the coldest shots.

Sage: 47:22

definitely one of the oldest shots and you know whoever that was I forget who it was it was under

Ethan: 47:23

And whoever it was-- I forget who it was, it was Under the Water, but like, I mean, I think it was somebody's

Sage: 47:27

the water but like i mean somebody's kid it was somebody's kid it was one of like the director or

Ethan: 47:31

kid, it was one of the director or somebody's kid, I don't know.

Sage: 47:32

somebody yeah he was like do i have to imagine like they had a warming up god yeah anyhow doing

Ethan: 47:34

Anyhow, can you imagine? They had to warm him up and stuff, so. Anyhow, doing that shot, you can imagine, maybe it was great and totally, one great

Sage: 47:39

that shot you can imagine it was great it was great and totally what great ending makes the

Ethan: 47:45

ending of the movie makes the film in a way, right?

Sage: 47:47

film right but i can imagine that scenario where they don't get it and they still release the movie

Ethan: 47:48

But I can imagine a scenario where they don't get it and they still release the movie and

Sage: 47:52

and it's still successful, but I wonder then is there's no Jason in it. I don't think there's

Ethan: 47:53

it's still successful but I wonder then is there's no Jason that I don't think I don't think there's any Jason in subsequent movies because you need to like it's so weird at

Sage: 47:59

any Jason in Subsequently. It's because you need to like, it's so weird. And you're like, wait,

Ethan: 48:05

the end for him to jump out of the water you're like wait this was all just some mom and now

Sage: 48:07

this was all just something from mom and now we have this weird like kind of decayed looking

Ethan: 48:09

we have this weird like kind of decayed looking creepy figure leaping out of a lake

Sage: 48:12

creepy figure. Yeah, and it's great because apparently people would start, when it came

Ethan: 48:15

week. I think there's actually a score. There's like music at the end where it's like, you

Sage: 48:19

out in theaters you know they they have that scene where she's in the canoe she's on the water people would start leaving the theater and then people who were still there you would leap out and i think there's actually a score there's like a kind of you know yeah they're like they would scream and

Ethan: 48:33

know, they would miss it. Yeah, that's like a guaranteed second film, a second watching

Sage: 48:34

then people who were leaving would like whip their heads around what was that because it's so quick yeah they would miss it because they were leaving because they thought it was over which is great you know it's like the people who stick around. Yeah like you have to watch see that like crucial

Ethan: 48:48

right there. Sorry, you missed it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, okay, so why does this movie become

Sage: 48:51

one second that you missed it's great yeah I think I think it's very funny it's like playing a little trick on the audience. Yeah so okay so why does this movie become the icon?

Ethan: 49:03

the icon that it is. What makes it so successful?

Sage: 49:03

It's so they mentioned this again in the director's commentary yeah yeah of course

Ethan: 49:07

Besides Tom Savini? That's our family motto by the way, unabashedly consumeristic. Except we have it on the family

Sage: 49:14

But at the time it like quote unquote like wasn't cool to create an unabashedly consumeristic type of movie a la John Carpenter. Yep But yeah, so they talk about uh, John Carpenter films and how

Ethan: 49:27

crest in Latin. Yeah, he loves film. He loves making fun films. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah, it's not punk

Sage: 49:35

They are you know consumerist and there's no shame in that. He loves film. Yeah Exactly and at the time people were like no like the people look down on it like it's not it's not cool. It's not introspective whatever but Yeah, but like that's fine. Yeah, it's fun. It's cool. It's silly. It's

Ethan: 49:52

Yeah. It's okay to just go and love and eat popcorn

Sage: 49:57

Yeah popcorn film it's a popcorn film

Ethan: 50:01

and love watching a movie, right? It's a popcorn film, yep. It is and it is a successful popcorn film. It's what it is. Yeah.

Sage: 50:07

Yeah, because if you're gonna do a popcorn film you have to really lean into that It doesn't have to be

Ethan: 50:13

It's not high art, doesn't need to be high art, doesn't need to be.

Sage: 50:16

Yeah, and that's why it's so popular with the classic

Ethan: 50:16

that is definitely Friday the 13th. It is a fun popcorn film. But it also had like just

Sage: 50:21

Some of the people actually like slept out there

Ethan: 50:22

great vibes. It looks like it was a ton of fun to make that movie. Some of the people actually like slept out there at the camp when they were making it evidently. And you

Sage: 50:28

Yeah, and you had this like young energetic ass that was having a blast

Ethan: 50:32

had this like young energetic cast that was having a blast. You know, they were getting

Sage: 50:36

you know, they were getting a break.

Ethan: 50:37

a break. What I just think it's not necessarily like lightning in a bottle because I think

Sage: 50:38

Yeah. What I just think it's not necessarily like lighting in a bottle because I think you could

Ethan: 50:44

You could replicate that actually. You could replicate it by like having a fun time making

Sage: 50:44

replicate that actually. Yeah. It would, you could replicate it by like having a fun time. Exactly.

Ethan: 50:49

a movie, right? So.

Sage: 50:50

Right? Yeah.

Ethan: 50:52

Yeah, the off-state experience.

Sage: 50:52

I really, the offset, uh, yeah, the offset experience I think really translates to, like,

Ethan: 50:55

Yeah, like actually The Thing, they had a fun time making The Thing, right? Like they

Sage: 50:56

actually the thing. Yeah. They really bought it on the film.

Ethan: 50:59

really bonded on that film. So. Yeah, like the difference between that and like a film

Sage: 51:02

Yeah. So. And you can, you can see it. like the difference between that and like the film where it's just an absolute thing.

Ethan: 51:07

where it's just an absolute nightmare, an absolute slog or like, you know, the lead

Sage: 51:09

An absolute slog or like you know the lead actor is just a pill.

Ethan: 51:12

The actor is just a pill and you know, it doesn't have to be like that.

Sage: 51:13

Yeah. Yeah it translates over.

Ethan: 51:17

It can be Friday the 13th.

Sage: 51:17

I think we tried to. Yeah. I think also I want to mention that this movie was inspired, it was inspired directly by two

Ethan: 51:19

I think also I want to mention that this movie was inspired, it was inspired directly by two previous films, Halloween, which had just come out, John Carpenter, all hail.

Sage: 51:25

previous films Halloween which was come out, The Gun Carpenter and All Hail. and there was some, I don't know, like,

Ethan: 51:31

And there was some, I don't know, like sexy fun summer camp movie, which I don't remember

Sage: 51:33

Sexy Fun Summer Camp.- Yeah, I don't remember the name.- Check them over the name up,

Ethan: 51:36

the name of, but they were like, what if we took Halloween and the sexy fun summer camp

Sage: 51:37

but they were like, what if we took- Both of them.- Halloween and the Sexy Fun Summer Camp movie,

Ethan: 51:42

camp movie, goofball movie, and wrapped them up together. And turns out they were right.

Sage: 51:43

goofball movie, and put them together.- I mean, yeah, I see it. It's exactly what it is. Yeah, but yeah, so I think the screenwriter

Ethan: 51:49

Chocolate and peanut butter. Right, yeah, right.

Sage: 51:52

went to see Halloween in the cinema and was trying to figure out, like, what a good horror movie needed. Which was like a prior evil or something. Like established evil.'Cause Halloween has, you know, the shape.

Ethan: 52:10

Yeah, the shape.

Sage: 52:11

- Yeah, the shape.(laughing)- And like he has a whole like backstory and everything.

Ethan: 52:15

It's funny isn't it that both Friday the 13th and Halloween they have characters who are

Sage: 52:15

- It's funny, isn't it, that both Friday the 13th and Halloween, they have characters who are iconic characters by name.

Ethan: 52:22

iconic characters by name, right?

Sage: 52:23

Right, Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees.

Ethan: 52:24

Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees.

Sage: 52:27

and neither of them are referred to in that way

Ethan: 52:27

And neither of them are referred to in that way in the original film, right?

Sage: 52:30

in the original film. - In the movies, yeah.- Like in the first film, it's explicitly credited,

Ethan: 52:32

Like in the first film it's explicitly credited that that role is as credited as the shape.

Sage: 52:37

that role is credited as the shape.

Ethan: 52:39

here it's just Mrs. Voorhees really. Right. Rightfully so, sorry Drew but you know, no

Sage: 52:39

And here it's just Mrs. Morgan's trailer.- Yeah, yeah, oh, another interesting fun little thing is in "Scream," that's the question that gets Drew Barrymore's character killed.- Rightfully so, sorry Drew, but no. Yeah, so the question is like, who's the original killer in Friday the 13th?

Ethan: 52:56

true fan. Yeah. Yeah. We- we're telling you now.

Sage: 53:01

And she says, Jason. And no, it's his mom. So if you ever get a call, we're telling you now. Thanks for joining us on this episode of the Teen Horrorcast.

Ethan: 53:15

Bye!

Sage: 53:20

You can follow us at Teen Horrorcast where we'd love to hear from you. Let us know what films you'd like to hear us review. See you next episode. Bye!

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